The entirety of Index Xenos 2. These are my opinions. This is how I feel. Others may feel differently. This needs to be stated for some reason. Oh giggity. So far I am liking what I see for Tyranids.
And being only points too. Can I have an Autograph! Kanluwen wrote: Hell, I'm not that bothered by the Stormraven. Because, as it stands right now, it's "limited use". When it's shoehorned in to the Codex: Space Marines, then yeah. I'll be irked. Who are we? Dakka 5. Member List. Recent Topics. This has become less prevalent in recent years as the general perception of Forge World has become more mainstream, though every now and then the prejudice rears its ugly head, usually when your opponent won't let you play the FW model you forked out a small fortune for.
They share the same trading address and legal identity. It is not a subsidiary company which would be a separate legal entity, but owned by the parent nor is it a licensee which is a third party permitted to use the IP. GW also acquired Sabertooth games, which operated as an independent subsidiary, but both were eventually absorbed back into Games Workshop. So, back to the issue with Forge World. Forge World eventually started printing prefaces in their books explaining that their rules were official; but some still claim that since 'Games Workshop' itself hasn't come out and said it, that they remain unofficial.
However, since the spines of FW's books have always had the Games Workshop logos on them and the inside front cover have the legal copyright and property notices from GW, this argument seems specious at best; rather, much like how the Big Rule Book has no actual explicit declaration that rules from White Dwarf are 'official', the Imperial Armour books themselves should be considered as canonical what ever that means in 40k as GW sources.
Update this has become pretty much irrelevant with the release of 8th edition where forgeworld have released complete indexes for pretty much their entire line. So next time you get to the table and your opponent starts whining about your Forge World models not being legal, just batter him over the head with your Imperial Armour book, which will be an order of magnitude heavier than his little codex and claim your victory by default.
As an additional side note - this has nothing to do with the perception of FW rules being either powerfully unbalanced or too focused on the narrative, but on reflection, that's no different from the skub surrounding codex creep and painful nerfing already rampant within 'core' GW material. So what's new? If a Tournament Organiser decides that they don't want to include Forgeworld rules then that is entirely their prerogative as they will want the tournament to be as balanced or as hassle free as is reasonable, especially since FW have a tendency to publish their rules with minor variances across multiple 'in-date' books, which can be a nightmare to manage, especially where some books have 'current' rules alongside other rules which have been superseded elsewhere.
Though with the advent of 8th edition, and all factions receiving simultaneous rule updates via indexes Imperial, Xenos and Chaos Imperial Armour indexes , these rules are much easier to keep track of than ever before. But these organisers if they are smart will also likely restrict 'core' army selections too, so no Unbound lists or may exclude certain FOCs, because in the end which is more unbalanced and cheesy?
The guy who takes a contemptor dreadnought in his Combined Arms detachment or the guy who take an unbound army of Heldrakes?
Ha Held Rakes sound scary. If the tournament organizer is using the ITC standard for 40k, Forge World units themselves are in fact quite legal.
All that said however, there is a somewhat valid reason why someone may be a bit 'model-shy' around Forge World rules; and that is information. There are 16 armies in 40k, and each dex tends to have more than one valid build; the Astra Militarum alone has six tank heavy, artillery heavy, balance, flying circus, infantry spam, veteran spam.
From a player's perspective, throwing MORE armies, rules, and models at them only compounds how much they need to consider. By counting Forge World, the number of army lists jumps to over 28 without considering supplements or mini-codices with only a handful of options, and again, each list can be played in more than one way, and then there are the admittedly handful of differences between Forge World and Games Workshop about the same model 'is that the vanquisher with the coaxial?
While Forge World is legal from any logical standpoint, people are not logical, and may be daunted by just how much new information they have to learn in order to make proper gameplay choices and not lose, because they did not know that the Death Korp can give orders to artillery.
Again, though Forge World is by any standard as legal as any codex, the other player may feel intimidated by your Space Marine siege army just because he does not know for sure what it can do and chose to walk way from it the same way he would if you brought an unbound army made of nothing but riptides. The second, fluffy, definition is a type of Imperial Worlds that refers to an entire world converted into a factory; one that runs at high capacity, even for its size.
They produce everything from laspistols to Land Raiders to Titans, so they are needed to keep the Imperial war machine trundling forward. Because of their nature, the Adeptus Mechanicus highly regard these worlds as holy places, and the Mechanicus owns just about all of them, which is fine since there are only a few of them and the Mechanicus is best at maintaining that shit. Losing a single one is considered an unacceptable loss by the Mechanicus, and the Imperium as well since it'll be harder than fuck to fill in those planet-sized gaps in their industrial sector.
In the fluff, there is actually a forgeworld called 'Zpandex'.
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